Noob 1/4 Mile Question

KFC_Or_Bust

New member
Yeah yeah I know everyone asks this before they run their car but since the nearest track around me doesn't open til mid-April I figure I'd ask. I just bought a 94 Bravada with a 92 Ty driveline off of Ebay and am curious roughly what it'd run. It's got a couple mods and they are as follow:

Walbro 255 pump
Kenne Bell AFPR
Greddy Boost Controller
Apexi Turbo Timer
Ultimate Chip
38mm Tial Wastegate
3" TBE w/ Magnaflow cannister muffler

Just curious as to how fast or slow it'll be once I hit up the track on opening day.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

It depends on how much boost you run but it has the potential to run low 13's/High 12's
 

wantingasy

Active member
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

I would have to say low to mid 14's....Mainly because I think that car is heavier being that it has 4 drs. Also, it doesn't have the same suspension setup as a real typhoon. Also the weight distribution with it being 4door is different. There aren't that many mods either. :2cents:
 

KFC_Or_Bust

New member
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

Actually it has all the suspension components from the Typhoon donor car the motor came out of so the only difference really is weight. A bone stock curb weight Ty/2 door Blazer weighs like 39xx and a 4 door Blazer weighs roughly 4200 so the weight difference isn't much. I think it'd definitely be in the 13's even if it fell flat on it's face in 3rd gear which it didn't when I test drove it. I've been in a number of fast cars and nothing quite boogied on the bottom end like this thing did. I don't even know what boost it was running though because I was paying attention to the road and not the gauge....Oh well we'll find out when I get it. :D
 

5SpdTy

Member
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

I'd say you'r going to stay in the 14's. But prove us wrong when April comes around:tup:
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

300#'s extra take off extra .3-.4's of the number I quote. If you going by it feels strongs that isn't good enough, you need to look at it with a scan tool.

WIth an ultimate you should 450-500ft-lbs of torque, 400+ lbs of torque fools a lot of first time owners to thinking their truck feels quick, so they think its running right.
 

KFC_Or_Bust

New member
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

chelo said:
high 14 to mid 15. Stock syty turbo?

LOL I'm sorry but tell me how a slightly modded motor is going to run a second or more slower than stock times? Mid 15's or high 14's my ass, my last car was a mid-high 15 second car and that was my slow ass 95 Saturn SL2 and it had a CAI and a factory header from an earlier Saturn on it.

Trust me, a stock Ty or even one running on 3 cylinders would smoke a 95 Saturn without even batting an eye. I'd be willing to be it's at least in the 13's or at absolute worst a low, low 14 but I'm telling you it's nowhere near being a 15 second car. That's just a sacrelige calling a Ty powered vehicle a 15 second car! ;)

I might find out sooner than April though, depends if I can get down to Atco or Englishtown between now and then but it's certainly a hike there since I'm from CT.
 

gjp

another post whore
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

my Sy was about as fast as my wifes neon right before my trans went. :(
But my wife has a RT neon 2.4L with 200hp and a 5 speed!!!LOL
 

willyson

trollin'
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

KFC_Or_Bust said:
LOL I'm sorry but tell me how a slightly modded motor is going to run a second or more slower than stock times? Mid 15's or high 14's my ass, my last car was a mid-high 15 second car and that was my slow ass 95 Saturn SL2 and it had a CAI and a factory header from an earlier Saturn on it.

Trust me, a stock Ty or even one running on 3 cylinders would smoke a 95 Saturn without even batting an eye. I'd be willing to be it's at least in the 13's or at absolute worst a low, low 14 but I'm telling you it's nowhere near being a 15 second car. That's just a sacrelige calling a Ty powered vehicle a 15 second car!

I might find out sooner than April though, depends if I can get down to Atco or Englishtown between now and then but it's certainly a hike there since I'm from CT.

weight is a bigger issue than your counting it for. You also have to take in the consideration of your motor not being in tune, which would lead to drastically changing times than what youd expect. A truck running on 8lbs of boost vs 16lbs of boost feels quick to someone who hasnt ridden in one with 16lbs, but will only put out 15's in the quarter. If its running great you could see the numbers you want, but you shouldnt ask opinions and then bash them. we're all here for the same reason, so when you get it, make sure its running up to par and take it to the track. prove us wrong - i personally think itll put up some decent numbers. :cool:
 

KFC_Or_Bust

New member
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

willyson said:
weight is a bigger issue than your counting it for. You also have to take in the consideration of your motor not being in tune, which would lead to drastically changing times than what youd expect. A truck running on 8lbs of boost vs 16lbs of boost feels quick to someone who hasnt ridden in one with 16lbs, but will only put out 15's in the quarter. If its running great you could see the numbers you want, but you shouldnt ask opinions and then bash them. we're all here for the same reason, so when you get it, make sure its running up to par and take it to the track. prove us wrong - i personally think itll put up some decent numbers. :cool:

Besides the bottom end noise the thing ran excellent, couldn't tell you how much boost it was running because I didn't pay attnetion but it's definitely quick as hell. Weight is not as big of an issue as you're making it out to be, I've had numerous Blazers and have weighed them all on a scale, my 89 2 door High Country weighed 3960 I believe, my 92 Jimmy weighs 4180 and my 92 Blazer weighed 4200. My dads 94 Bravada weighs....4200 pounds also.

So if you factor in the assumed formula of 200lbs = .1 sec then the weight is a factor of MAYBE .2 of a second slower, definitely nothing to be worried about in a daily driver.

I wasn't bashing your guys opinions, I just know for a fact that it's not a 15 second car and if it's a 14 second car I'd be surprised. I've ridden in and driven a number of fast cars and nothing quite accelrated like this car did. Fastest cars I've driven have been a stock 03 Lightning, 06 300C SRT-8 and a 05 Crossfire SRT-6 and I've only driven them because I used to work at Chrysler dealership. The SRT-8 was definitely the fastest out of the bunch but the powerband was very smooth going, while the Bravada just smashed me into the seat with a great force.

I know the difference between quick and fast. The above cars I described are fairly quick, nothing too punishing but definitely respectable. Fast though, is one of my buddies cars, he has a 661whp 99 Camaro with a T76 Phamspeed turbo kit, AFR heads, cam, Moser 12 bolt, etc etc. That is a very nutty car, never experianced any gear in his car besides 3rd-5th so I couldn't tell you how fast it is down low but I'm 150% sure it is faster. ;)

Enough of my yapping, bottom line is that my seat of the pants 1/4 mile was at least a low 14, it's definitely no slouch. I think the car was running around stock boost from what I'm trying to remember, the conversation I had with the owner was kind of a blur because I had been up 22 hours driving to St. Louis. No matter what it runs I can't wait to get it, ricers have been shit talking it left and right and it's not even in my posession yet.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

KFC_Or_Bust said:
Besides the bottom end noise the thing ran excellent, couldn't tell you how much boost it was running because I didn't pay attnetion but it's definitely quick as hell. Weight is not as big of an issue as you're making it out to be, I've had numerous Blazers and have weighed them all on a scale, my 89 2 door High Country weighed 3960 I believe, my 92 Jimmy weighs 4180 and my 92 Blazer weighed 4200. My dads 94 Bravada weighs....4200 pounds also.

So if you factor in the assumed formula of 200lbs = .1 sec then the weight is a factor of MAYBE .2 of a second slower, definitely nothing to be worried about in a daily driver.

The actual weight vs et is variable depending on the ET range of the vehicle, but I can tell you that the standard is 100# = .1 400# is probably closer to .5-.6 I would be shooting for it to run low's once you get it dialed in.

If you engine has noises then its most likely out of tune. Another thing that sometimes confuse people about a poor running truck is that for short spurts the ECM doesn't fully pull back power if the knock sensor is picking up detonation. However when you floor it for 12-14 sec it has the ability to pull all kinds of timing, reduce HP quite a bit.

When you get your truck, drive it around on a scan tool.
 

chelo

filthy sy
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

First off. I do know what truck you bought. That bitch has been around the block. Second. When you say modified. What has been done to the engine? Bottom end built? You do not know what boost your running? My old 8v vw golf was faster than a saturn. Mid 14 low 15 is what you will run. That's if the tranny doesn't blow up.
 

crusader8

Running Ty Club
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

KFC_Or_Bust said:
. That's just a sacrelige calling a Ty powered vehicle a 15 second car! ;)

I might find out sooner than April though, depends if I can get down to Atco or Englishtown between now and then but it's certainly a hike there since I'm from CT.

well, alot of untuned poorly running tys have been in the 15's and since yours has been around for a while and you think it has some problems, i would guess 15's too.

But, Id love to see it run at Atco or Etown to see what it can do.
 

KFC_Or_Bust

New member
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

dgoodhue said:
If you engine has noises then its most likely out of tune. Another thing that sometimes confuse people about a poor running truck is that for short spurts the ECM doesn't fully pull back power if the knock sensor is picking up detonation. However when you floor it for 12-14 sec it has the ability to pull all kinds of timing, reduce HP quite a bit.

I'm fairly sure the knock sensor isn't picking up detonation because I have a knock sensor issue with my current 92 Jimmy. The sensor isn't even hooked into the block, it's just resting up on top of the motor because I couldn't fit it in when I put my junky Hedman headers on. I know when it pulls timing and the Bravada wasn't doing that at all, so from my brief experiance it ran like a top but of course it could be running slightly down on power because I'm not a human scan tool...Wish I was though. It was a very very slight sound, almost sounds like my buddys old 94 Blazer, a main cap bolt was backing out and it rattled the tiniest bit, he didn't notice it for months but I did, he insisted it was a exhaust rattle but found out it was exactly what I told him it was when he spun a rod bearing a few months later and we pulled the oil pan and found a few bolts in the oil pan.

Holy run on sentance batman!

5SpdTy said:
Where in CT are you??

New Milford, about 10 minutes north of Danbury. I'm about 5 mins from the NY border, where are you located?

chelo said:
First off. I do know what truck you bought. That bitch has been around the block. Second. When you say modified. What has been done to the engine? Bottom end built? You do not know what boost your running? My old 8v vw golf was faster than a saturn. Mid 14 low 15 is what you will run. That's if the tranny doesn't blow up.

Bottom end is not built as far as I know, no I do not know what boost it was running, like I said I'd been driving for 22 straight hours after working a full 8 hour shift before starting our journey so I was a little punchy to say the least. I'm telling you it's not going to run a 15, I'd be willing to bet a lot of money on it. The only way it'd run a 15 is if something drastic happens or a major component breaks while I'm going 1320 feet. I know what a 15 second car feels like, I've owned a few 15 second cars in my day and they were all slow. The Bravada is not slow.

crusader8 said:
well, alot of untuned poorly running tys have been in the 15's and since yours has been around for a while and you think it has some problems, i would guess 15's too.

But, Id love to see it run at Atco or Etown to see what it can do.

After I get it back here and get the bottom end back in order I'm definitely going to have it tuned. I know what a tune can do to a car and a lot of people neglect it and then ask why is their car so slow with all these go fast parts.

I want to run at those tracks too, I've only been to Etown once last August for a budget F-Body Shootout. It was actually in GM High Tech magazine this past issue, my buddy Kyle got his own page for him and his 3rd gen Trans Am. Never been to Atco though, the only track I've run at is Lebanon Valley up in NY state.
 
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Sy-1177

Turbo Inside
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

I talked to one of the previous owners of this truck, and he got it into the high 12's with the current setup. Remember that this thing has 3:73 gears in it too, that helps out a little.
 

Reverend

New member
Re: Noob 1/4 Mile Question

Hey guys, I'm the current owner of the truck. KFC_or_Bust and I are working out the particulars of shipping and stuff, but its as good as sold.

Just as an FYI, this truck is RyanA's old one. This is the list of mods, per his original for sale thread on this forum.

1993 Ty drivetrain; now has approximately 42,000 miles
3.73 gears
Newer front DS
Ty front torsion bars
Ty rear springs
Bilstein shocks
ATR Pit Bull chip
Tial 38 mm wastegate vented back into downpipe
Apex turbo timer with air fuel ratio
Greddy Profec boost controller. When off, boost is 6 psi, when on low
boost is 11 psi, and when on high boost is 15 psi. Boost is rock solid
and very fast. Way faster than the stock boost control solenoid could
do.
Kenne Bell cold air
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator
Walbro 255 hp pump
Taylor Spiro Pro wires
3" mandrel bent cat back. Dynomax ultra flo cannister; exhaust exits in
stock location and looks like a Ty aftermarket catback.
A pillar with boost and fuel pressure gauges. Also has an AFR gauge
that is inoperable to plug a hole.
Electric cooling fan with adjustable fan controller.
Large cross bars on roof rack removed for smoother look
Newer front leather seats as the old ones were showing wear.
Factory CD player with new CD transport. Plays CDR's
New yoke seal on front diff along with new fluid.

This car is easily as fast or faster than my STi, so to those naysayer's, sorry, but this sucker really picks up and moves. Punching the throttle from a 20 mph roll still gets wheel spin on a cool day.
 
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