what build do you want to see?

[ghettosled]

Well,

I've had a syclone for a few months now. Bought it from a guy who said the head gasket blew. Anyways, today i tried to start it and found out the motor is in need of a rebuild. So basically I want to know what kind of build up you guys want to see.

We're not going to do a bowtie block or billet crank, but we do plan to keep it single turbo, awd with a V6. Good internals with some bolt ons. I get the feeling this is what most people consider a true syclone.

Our plan is to build something driveable, featuring many of the RPM parts. However we offer so many parts for different levels of performance, we're not sure what interests you guys most. DO you want to see another high 9 sec low 10 sec awd truck, or do you want to see what a properly built and fine tuned truck can run with stock headers, iron heads, stock intake manifold, stock downpipe, hybrid turbo etc.?

For the sake of a clean and easy to work on engine compartment we have decided to remove the AC, Stock intercooler system and ABS. For maximum power and reliability we plan to run aftermarket fuel injection and a different transmission. This truck is something i would like to bring to the 05 Nats along with the ghettosled.

 

[Loeryder]

How about a blue collar street built truck that can handle like a sports car?

Stock block, L35 heads, stock ecm, stock appearance.
Go all out on the suspension. Coilvers, big sway bars, Maybe design some bolt on or weld in cross bracing. Some folks have been discussing an IRS. It's been done on a 1st gen Blazer so I'm sure it's possible on a SyTy.
I know no one is offering it off the shelf.
Could open up a whole new market of already existing suspension upgrades.

And then bring it to KC for some auto x action.
http://www.syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=310651#310651

 

[Jimmy]

Stock block bored .030 over,4 bolt mains,block filler,Vortec heads,headers,PT88,alky injection,A/A,built 4L80E,switchable transfercase,carbon fiber body ect...

 

[nightdiver]

I think a race truck for street use is what everyone wants

Id say
Brodix heads
Stock intake(moded)
GTDBB 76 P trim Fast spool turbo
A2A
Fast or other user friendly ecm
412 cam
headers that dont BURN the GD wires (TT style)
stock block 4bolt mains
nitrided crank
srps
eagle rods

Thats A LOT i know

Then there are the bolt ons fans

with 60-1 or T61
brodix bolt on heads
injectors
A2A
low boost( no more than 18 psi)
stock block & rods


The question is HOW MUCH does the customer want to spend

 

[Falco]

Mike,

It would be nice to see something like this:

Stock block, 4 bolt mains, nitrided stock cranks, eagles, srp/je-s
Stock Vortecs
412 cam
stock intake
stock headers
a big shaft turbo with an external WG
700r4 or TH350

To be honest I'm not really interested to see a truck with a 4l80 or TH400. It's way too much hassle and money to put them in. Probably if you can offer all the parts needed for this conversion off the shelf... That could change this. Till then, it would be nice to see a fast truck with a TH350. I really don't know how much abuse the 350 would take in our application...

Just my :2cents:

Later,

 

[THEMADTYPH00N]

Stock block, Stock crank and push it to the limit. I'd really like to see how far they will go before they explode.

 

[myclone]

Stock block filled to the bottom of the freeze plugs with hardener.
Four bolt mains
Wet sump
Stock cryoed crank.
Eagle rods.
SRP/JE pistons.
Zero gap rings.
422 cam.
Double roller timing chain.
Runs testing 1.6s and 1.5s on exh/intake/vicer versa or mix n match.
Stock vortecs or ported vortecs WITH flow numbers.
Stock upper/lower intake (porting allowed if pics flow #s provided).
GTQ BB turbo (bigger the better ).
Off the shelf A/A IC (no custom high zoot stuff).
In tank fuel pump (or sumped stock tank with mere mortal priced ext FP).
Stock sized tires/wheels (or maybe something like big n little ZR1s everyone has...not hugely important to me).
Stock rear suspension with caltracks or similar.
Stock front suspension (limiters allowed).

Prolly more I can think of but its time to go home,

 

[TurboManiacal]

Wow....if there was ever a time for the saying "Please everyone some of of time and noone all of the time" then this would be it.

Me personally? I'd like to see the engine limited to $4k, the tranny to $3k. I'd love to see a 4L80E but if that's not possible then I'd like to stay with the 700R4 as that is what the truck came with. Sure a TH400 or TH350 will hold, Ed has proven that and so have you with that Marine's truck.

I'm thinking a nice GT35 turbo on a mild converter to allow it to stay streetable. In fact...I think that is what most of us here would like you to keep in mind when you build this. Keep it streetable where you can drive to the street races, win and drive home on the twisties...and like it.

How about a Typhoon Interior swap?

 

[leroy]

A budget build, fully streetable truck, running pump gas, featuring RPM parts.

Jim

 

[Ian Turgeon]

Mike, this would be a great opertunity to do mod by mod dyno testing. With some thought and rules to it, you could get some real numbers about the effects of each mod.

 

[vortecfiero]

A budget build, fully streetable truck, running pump gas, featuring RPM parts.

Jim

sounds like a good idea .... set a hard budget and plan.... dyno testing at each stage

 

[canadian]

from back to front
---------------------
* remove spare and associated hardware under truck
* bigger rear swaybar (xtreme or other style)
* aluminum drums OR
* ls1 / vette rear disc conversion
* bell-tech springs / e-rue rear coilover mod
* pst bushings in the rear
* create a kit with an-3 lines to replace stock rear brake lines
* replace rear gears with a truetrac (http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm)
* rear tailgate lightening (hardware replacement, etc)
* caltracs

* 12 gallon fuel tank or cheap fuel cell in stock location
* nolan dual walboro fuel pump in-tank
* racetronix fuel pump harness
* replacement fuel lines from tank to rails

* interior lightening (remove soundproofing, etc)

* stock block .030 over hardblocked
* 4 bolt mains
* cryo'd crank
* stock vortec heads
* stock headers
* external wastegate
* stock ecm modded for big injectors
* start with stock turbo / ic THEN
* port match turbo to headers
* port i/c inlet
* eventually start moving up in the turbo category
* injectors (50, 75, 83)
* limit turbo sizing to ones that will work with <= 3000 rpm stall converter
* 700r4 transmission (strong rebuild)
* start with water injection, switch to meth, then switch to... NITRO (no joke)
* remove inner fenderwells
* coil over front suspension
* stock wheels / green dots
* test out aftermarket combos to find the best weight vs. size vs. hook

after that, you can start going crazy (aluminum heads, different intakes, turbos, etc). i'd like to see you stick with the stock ecm. i think people would rather put $1-$2k into parts instead of the computer, and we know that the stock ecm can handle a lot of stuff.

do it in stages so the average guy can follow along and actually afford to do some of the stuff. see how well the 700r4 can hold up to more power and if it is possible to have a reliable truck with that transmission.

i'm sure there's more stuff we could all think of.

 

[ghettosled]

hey guys, first of all thanks for all the suggestions.

As for the mod by mod testing, I agree this is the way it should be done however realistically we just dont have the time. If I had the time, my typhoon would be running solid 8s already :evil:

The trans will be a th350 or th400. There isnt much to the th350 swap, but i have some customers who want th400s, so i was thinking this may be the time to get a couple driveshaft sets made, and build a few new crossmembers. Basically package a few kits that bolt right in. However, i may lean towards the 350 just to test its limits, because it is so cheap (relatively speaking) and easy to install. The 4l80e is great, but then this build starts getting expensive. Depending on the extent of the build I will probably have to swap in some 308 gears, or go solid cam for more rpm. A 700 isnt going to take the abuse of our testing. You start looking at some of the 60fts guys are now getting, and you will realize how they get the great 1/4 mile ET. Just think a 1.4 60ft compared to a 1.8 is almost a full second faster. It will have caltracs, fiberglass leaf springs and different shocks.

As for the computer, I am not as chip savy as say Nolan or some of the other guys, nor do I have the patience. I agree the stock ecm has a world of great features, but realistically it doesnt fit the build/timeframe alotted. With a standalone, everything is simple, and nowadays you get things like built in boost control, 2 step, boost builder, datalog, etc so you dont have to go out and buy extra parts. Plus I hate the factory wiring loom, and would prefer to make my own engine harness.

So at this point i gather most people want to see a vortec headed, fully prepped stock block that is a driver? I think the stock manifolds can work, obviously several people have gone fast with them. I do however want to build a crossover pipe upgrade kit, b/c it is plain pathetic. If we go that route, I can easily run the RPM turbo kit, as well as our a/a intercooler and many of our standard parts.

Since it will be a driver, i wont do a fuel cell, or any fiberglass parts, stripped interior etc. As for the autocross suspension, that isnt my specialty so i will leave that up to someone else.

For that sake of keeping it pure syty i guess we will keep the stock intake manifold, instead of swapping it for a preferred carb style manifold. Unless you dont think it matters..

thanks again for the suggestions

 

[Syclone#1992]

Me personally? I'd like to see the engine limited to $4k, the tranny to $3k. Keep it streetable where you can drive to the street races, win and drive home on the twisties...and like it.

Same here, do it on a budget, and keep track of everything and make it streetable. I really don't like the idea of using the TH350 or TH400, but if thats what you want go ahead. I would rather see a 700R4 done up, don't you sell them?

 

[ghettosled]

Same here, do it on a budget, and keep track of everything and make it streetable. I really don't like the idea of using the TH350 or TH400, but if thats what you want go ahead. I would rather see a 700R4 done up, don't you sell them?

we do sell the 700s but they are only good to high 10s. As much testing as this thing is going to see i dont plan on swapping trannys like oil filters. And even if it was possible to make a 700 last for a full season of low 10 sec passes, the money in parts to build it could buy you 3 th350s. I dont plan on driving it to the Nats, so an OD is not necessarily a top priority. Plus the money i save on the trans can be spent on things to make more power if for some reason someone want to duplicate the build, maybe someone else can provide them with a 700 that will last.

As for the budget thing, thats pretty difficult to do with $4k. For one, i have lots of extra parts lying around the shop and plan to use whatever i can to save money. However, I'm a pretty firm believer that if you are going to do it once, just make sure it is done right. It'll save you time and money in the long run. $4k in parts wouldnt get me far with a blown motor.

Basically my idea for the project is to build a truck which is fully streetable. Something you can drive to work, and to the races. We're gonna try and build it as cheap as possible, but i guess in the end we'll find out how much it really costs.

 

[JSM]

I agree, do something the average owner and his checkbook can agree with.

Then just tune the hell out of it.

 

[Timbo]

Basically my idea for the project is to build a truck which is fully streetable. Something you can drive to work, and to the races.

I like that idea, but I don't see a TH350 fitting into that category.

 

[canadian]

I agree, do something the average owner and his checkbook can agree with.

Then just tune the hell out of it.

i guess it depends on how big of a checkbook you think the average owner has. what are you planning on doing for the efi? minimum $1k there for everything you need. it sounds like mike already had a plan of what he wanted to do with the rest of the truck, he's just checking to see if he's in the ballpark with other owners.

i just think some of these things are going to be out of the price range of the little guy, but it's not my truck or money. i say go for it, and thanks for helping us out by trying different things that will help everybody learn more.

 

[ed hess]

mike

i think you should just do it and dont even bother to add up the cost when its done...

but i do think you should do a build with a strong bottom end, dual gt35r's, sheet metal intake, flat tapet hyd cam (radical enough to get ya about 1psi vacuum), high compression pistons, 11 or 12 -1, thm400, and while your at it put a spool in the rear, then go out and see if ya can knock off some 8 sec passes with it, and just blow everyone away.

oh and while your at it make sure you can still drive it on the street if ya wanted to ( of course you have to keep your foot out of it unless you got some expanseive fuel running thru it while your on the street.

no wait a minute thats my dream build... maybe you should just keep it stock.

ed

 

[JerryMcCoy]

Hey Mike , thought I would chime in...We have built two syclones with the th350 and one of them is a build somewhat like the one you guys are discussing ..It belong s to Jeff Dennis and ran 10.70's two years back with a 63 turbo and one of our Air to Airs,,the 350 trans , vortecs, 4 bolt mains, 412 type cam,eagle rods, etc. and we tuned it with a FAST setup..He sold the motor and we built him a bowtie which we are hoping to have at the Nats..I think he wants to go with a 76GTS on one of your downpipes..It will still be running the vortecs..We also did a 400 in a Ty that has a bowtie and your twin turbo headers that I hope will come to the Nats ..Both trucks are AWD. The 350 in Jeffs truck should get quite a workout with about a 1000 hitting it..We are also doing another sy with the 400 and should end up at about the same hp..So it could be a real comparisson on 60's and MPH through the traps...I will try to keep you guys informed as it happens next season...........Jerry