Typhoon-Dennis
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I thought about a thermoelektric cooler on the intercooler. This would maybe a good idea to get cold water
What would you think?
What would you think?
thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
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It's just a six
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Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
My friend was making those for the Lightning & Supercharged Mustangs.
He still has all the components & tooling to make more, just seems people lost interest & so the parts just sit on his shelves.
They were called ICCEE Chiller IIRC. Correction I.C. Chiller
He was going to install one on my Syclone but so far we have not gotten to it.
Here is his screen name http://www.syty.net/forums/member.php?u=440
My friend was making those for the Lightning & Supercharged Mustangs.
He still has all the components & tooling to make more, just seems people lost interest & so the parts just sit on his shelves.
They were called ICCEE Chiller IIRC. Correction I.C. Chiller
He was going to install one on my Syclone but so far we have not gotten to it.
Here is his screen name http://www.syty.net/forums/member.php?u=440
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InvisiBill
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Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
Keep in mind that TECs generate more heat in the process of moving the heat. You have to get rid of the heat you're pumping out of whatever you're trying to cool, plus the heat generated by the TEC.
I think Daron did this back in the day. If you live in a warmer area, you can rig up a version of this by just plumbing the CAC to the heater core, then running the A/C to cool the heater core. This isn't really a permanent solution and won't work for everyone, but it's a cheap, simple way to get some extra IC performance for some runs down the strip.
I thought about a thermoelektric cooler on the intercooler. This would maybe a good idea to get cold water
What would you think?
Keep in mind that TECs generate more heat in the process of moving the heat. You have to get rid of the heat you're pumping out of whatever you're trying to cool, plus the heat generated by the TEC.
I think Daron did this back in the day. If you live in a warmer area, you can rig up a version of this by just plumbing the CAC to the heater core, then running the A/C to cool the heater core. This isn't really a permanent solution and won't work for everyone, but it's a cheap, simple way to get some extra IC performance for some runs down the strip.
It's just a six
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Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
This is how I have my intercooler lines plumbed. Works for me but some think it does nothing. It's been this way since 1999.
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This is how I have my intercooler lines plumbed. Works for me but some think it does nothing. It's been this way since 1999.
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Typhoon-Dennis
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What would be a good location to install? on a modified ic line in the near of the lower ic?
GEMELLI
The Best of Both Worlds
Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
Oh yeah! The John Coletti patented SuperCooler!
Ford’s patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle’s air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.
On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine’s intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air – resulting in a denser air charge.
A green light on the instrument panel indicates the system’s readiness. SuperCooler is activated automatically when the driver depresses the accelerator to a wide-open-throttle position.
“This technology plays directly into the hands of the enthusiast,” Coletti says. “The SuperCooler provides the edge for the driver, and it is done simply by taking advantage of the hardware that already exists in the vehicle.”
As a result of this cool technology, the SVT Lighting concept can give its driver as much as 50 transient horsepower for short bursts of 30-45 seconds and regenerate within 2 minutes under normal driving conditions. While its effect is similar to that of an aftermarket nitrous oxide system, the SuperCooler is completely self-contained, environmentally friendly and regenerative.
Oh yeah! The John Coletti patented SuperCooler!
Ford’s patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle’s air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.
On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine’s intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air – resulting in a denser air charge.
A green light on the instrument panel indicates the system’s readiness. SuperCooler is activated automatically when the driver depresses the accelerator to a wide-open-throttle position.
“This technology plays directly into the hands of the enthusiast,” Coletti says. “The SuperCooler provides the edge for the driver, and it is done simply by taking advantage of the hardware that already exists in the vehicle.”
As a result of this cool technology, the SVT Lighting concept can give its driver as much as 50 transient horsepower for short bursts of 30-45 seconds and regenerate within 2 minutes under normal driving conditions. While its effect is similar to that of an aftermarket nitrous oxide system, the SuperCooler is completely self-contained, environmentally friendly and regenerative.
Throws
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Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
How about using a Peltier?
http://www.amazon.com/TEC1-12709-Th...eltier-138-6Wmax/dp/B002UQ150Q/ref=pd_cp_pc_3
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How about using a Peltier?
http://www.amazon.com/TEC1-12709-Th...eltier-138-6Wmax/dp/B002UQ150Q/ref=pd_cp_pc_3
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Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
This looks like a nitrous bottle chiller that is hooked up
to a pressure switch to lower bottle pressure in hot weather ..
How about using a Peltier?
http://www.amazon.com/TEC1-12709-Th...eltier-138-6Wmax/dp/B002UQ150Q/ref=pd_cp_pc_3
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This looks like a nitrous bottle chiller that is hooked up
to a pressure switch to lower bottle pressure in hot weather ..
Typhoon-Dennis
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How about using a Peltier?
http://www.amazon.com/TEC1-12709-Th...eltier-138-6Wmax/dp/B002UQ150Q/ref=pd_cp_pc_3
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Thats what i'm Talking about!!!
This One is really huge
You have to have to use a Little Fan to cool Down the hot side and you will get ice in the IC LOL
Northern Typhoon
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Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
The unit that seems to work really good for liquid coolers is called Killer Chiller.......
I installed one on my brothers cobra, witha 2.9 whipple on the dyno the inlet temps start out at 80 degrees and after the pull would go to 104 tops..........data logging at the track the temps at the top would be around 110, so i would say it works well,they offer a race kit witch would drop the IAT even more so.......
The unit that seems to work really good for liquid coolers is called Killer Chiller.......
I installed one on my brothers cobra, witha 2.9 whipple on the dyno the inlet temps start out at 80 degrees and after the pull would go to 104 tops..........data logging at the track the temps at the top would be around 110, so i would say it works well,they offer a race kit witch would drop the IAT even more so.......
canadian
sy in progress
Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
It's all been done before. Waaaay back in the day it was called the intracooler and it plumbed your A/C lines into the intercooler. Josh Branch had one of these on the infamous Cuc(umber) green/gray typhoon. Turned on at idle with the A/C on max, the intercooler would get a layer of frost on it.
http://www.syty.org/old/meet52497.html
http://www.syty.org/archives/syty/9802/msg00843.html
http://www.syty.org/archives/syty/9806/msg00479.html
http://www.syty.org/archives/syty/9804/msg00497.html <- note 20 degree drop in IAT
The biggest problem is that the A/C by design shuts off at full throttle if I remember correctly so you had to pre-chill it. Not sure there was any before and after testing done on it and he eventually pulled it off.
As for the Peltier coolers, it would take a metric ass ton of current to make a big enough difference on the I/C and the alternator isn't usually capable of providing enough juice to do it. The other issue is where to get rid of the heat on the hot side of it. It has to go somewhere and under the hood there's not much space to get rid of it.
It's all been done before. Waaaay back in the day it was called the intracooler and it plumbed your A/C lines into the intercooler. Josh Branch had one of these on the infamous Cuc(umber) green/gray typhoon. Turned on at idle with the A/C on max, the intercooler would get a layer of frost on it.
http://www.syty.org/old/meet52497.html
http://www.syty.org/archives/syty/9802/msg00843.html
http://www.syty.org/archives/syty/9806/msg00479.html
http://www.syty.org/archives/syty/9804/msg00497.html <- note 20 degree drop in IAT
The biggest problem is that the A/C by design shuts off at full throttle if I remember correctly so you had to pre-chill it. Not sure there was any before and after testing done on it and he eventually pulled it off.
As for the Peltier coolers, it would take a metric ass ton of current to make a big enough difference on the I/C and the alternator isn't usually capable of providing enough juice to do it. The other issue is where to get rid of the heat on the hot side of it. It has to go somewhere and under the hood there's not much space to get rid of it.
jollygreen1964
Donating Member
Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
there is a system available with different spray bar etc that uses CO2 in a tank like NO2ithink the system is called CRYO2,
there is a system available with different spray bar etc that uses CO2 in a tank like NO2ithink the system is called CRYO2,
sytyguy
Moderated User
Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
I actually tried a peltier (had a bunch of smaller ones that I wired in sequence) back in the day (1999 or 2000 IIRC). Dig and I spoke about this on here and privately back then. The issues I had (to name a few) were:
- Electrical draw - a 40mm x 40mm unit requires about 5A/77W. I used enough to cover the entire top of the upper IC (sanded it down to bare metal and applied them with aluminum silver compound. This was just too much for the system to handle (I tested it while in the garage so the units were feed externally).
- Heat dissipation - There just isn't enough room to remove the heat from above the upper IC without cutting a hole in the hood or installing a louver. At the time, this wasn't doable for me.
- Inconsistent temp removal across the entire intercooler - This was the biggest issue. I could get VERY GOOD heat removal at the top of the IC (the actual surface) and good removal of the first inch or so of coolant. The coolant in the middle of the IC was consistent with a the stock IC (75% efficiency or so) and the coolant at the bottom was basically uncooled.
- Couldn't "take the heat" - The second biggest problem. The units took too long to remove the heat once it soaked in. Far longer than OE intercooling would have taken.
My method: I had a spare upper IC that had been damaged, so I used it for this test. I had 3 thermocouples installed in the IC, powered the peltiers externally, and applied heat to the coolant using a heat gun (used a propane heater for one extreme test). Test one was simply peltier efficiency, so I would allow the water to reach ambient (let's say 75degF) and then apply heat for 60 seconds. The peltiers would be switched on as heat was applied. Test 2 was with IC assistance, so I hooked up a ShurFLO to a 40qt cooler and cycled water to the upper IC (simulating the stock unit, though I wasn't cooling the water in the cooler, just relying on sheer volume and ambient dissipation).
I actually tried a peltier (had a bunch of smaller ones that I wired in sequence) back in the day (1999 or 2000 IIRC). Dig and I spoke about this on here and privately back then. The issues I had (to name a few) were:
- Electrical draw - a 40mm x 40mm unit requires about 5A/77W. I used enough to cover the entire top of the upper IC (sanded it down to bare metal and applied them with aluminum silver compound. This was just too much for the system to handle (I tested it while in the garage so the units were feed externally).
- Heat dissipation - There just isn't enough room to remove the heat from above the upper IC without cutting a hole in the hood or installing a louver. At the time, this wasn't doable for me.
- Inconsistent temp removal across the entire intercooler - This was the biggest issue. I could get VERY GOOD heat removal at the top of the IC (the actual surface) and good removal of the first inch or so of coolant. The coolant in the middle of the IC was consistent with a the stock IC (75% efficiency or so) and the coolant at the bottom was basically uncooled.
- Couldn't "take the heat" - The second biggest problem. The units took too long to remove the heat once it soaked in. Far longer than OE intercooling would have taken.
My method: I had a spare upper IC that had been damaged, so I used it for this test. I had 3 thermocouples installed in the IC, powered the peltiers externally, and applied heat to the coolant using a heat gun (used a propane heater for one extreme test). Test one was simply peltier efficiency, so I would allow the water to reach ambient (let's say 75degF) and then apply heat for 60 seconds. The peltiers would be switched on as heat was applied. Test 2 was with IC assistance, so I hooked up a ShurFLO to a 40qt cooler and cycled water to the upper IC (simulating the stock unit, though I wasn't cooling the water in the cooler, just relying on sheer volume and ambient dissipation).
djwaggoner
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Re: thermoelectric cooler for the intercooler
Agree w/ TYTILIDE. Meth inj lowers IAT from 118* at idle to 60* at end of 1/4 mi, provides more than 100 octane rating fuel, eliminates Knock, & exh temp drops from 900* to 450* at WOT.
Makes other IC mods more trouble than they''re worth...
Agree w/ TYTILIDE. Meth inj lowers IAT from 118* at idle to 60* at end of 1/4 mi, provides more than 100 octane rating fuel, eliminates Knock, & exh temp drops from 900* to 450* at WOT.
Makes other IC mods more trouble than they''re worth...
Typhoon-Dennis
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Thanks for that usefull Explantation.
Otherwise i would pack the ic in a (sorry i miss the engl.word for that)"head-protection-mat"