What Turbo??
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turbodig
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Re: What Turbo??
Depends on which housing... if it's a T4 flange, you'll need a flange adapter.
Won't work at all with your stock DP, you'll need something custom. You could adapt it, but pushing GT35 volume out the stock DP isn't gonna work the best.
It's going to be quite tight on the AC bracket. Others have modded the bracket to work, but that was with a PTE housing that has a longer inlet neck. There's a thread with a T3-T4 inlet adapter on here someplace, take a look at those pictures.
You've already got the external WG, so you're good there.
You'll need a different chip, or have yours recalibrated/tuned.
Ty 1885 said:
Depends on which housing... if it's a T4 flange, you'll need a flange adapter.
Won't work at all with your stock DP, you'll need something custom. You could adapt it, but pushing GT35 volume out the stock DP isn't gonna work the best.
It's going to be quite tight on the AC bracket. Others have modded the bracket to work, but that was with a PTE housing that has a longer inlet neck. There's a thread with a T3-T4 inlet adapter on here someplace, take a look at those pictures.
You've already got the external WG, so you're good there.
You'll need a different chip, or have yours recalibrated/tuned.
Tooky
Serious about performance
Re: What Turbo??
Our computer doesn't adjust fuel at WOT. You have a lot of research to do yet, it sounds like you are really diving head first into a huge project. I would take some time to search old posts on SyTy.net before you spend more money. Just my opinion. I would hate for you to build such a large project and end up with something that doesn't run what it should.
Our computer doesn't adjust fuel at WOT. You have a lot of research to do yet, it sounds like you are really diving head first into a huge project. I would take some time to search old posts on SyTy.net before you spend more money. Just my opinion. I would hate for you to build such a large project and end up with something that doesn't run what it should.
James Thomas
"NO CLASS"
Re: What Turbo??
I agree with Tooky 100%. Tuning is a multi stage process that requires all the parts to "fit like a puzzle" (and like a glove I might add), one missing piece can screw up the whole thing. It's true that some parts can be miss-matched and you can "tune around them" to a point but one of the major reasons of frustration, sold "projects" and runners that "need a little tweaking" at serious loss to the owner because of lack of patience or just plain loosing that "loving feeling", is due to just throwing parts to it at random and seriously expecting that it will not only run right / be reliable but also actually be fast as well. Plan your work.... work your plan and do lots of homework before you break out the charge card and go bonkers. Most of all, feel free to ask questions before you buy / build because our truck have several peculiarities that make finding and correcting problems harder than average!!
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James
I agree with Tooky 100%. Tuning is a multi stage process that requires all the parts to "fit like a puzzle" (and like a glove I might add), one missing piece can screw up the whole thing. It's true that some parts can be miss-matched and you can "tune around them" to a point but one of the major reasons of frustration, sold "projects" and runners that "need a little tweaking" at serious loss to the owner because of lack of patience or just plain loosing that "loving feeling", is due to just throwing parts to it at random and seriously expecting that it will not only run right / be reliable but also actually be fast as well. Plan your work.... work your plan and do lots of homework before you break out the charge card and go bonkers. Most of all, feel free to ask questions before you buy / build because our truck have several peculiarities that make finding and correcting problems harder than average!!
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James
Sy#2373
New member
Re: What Turbo??
I have a GT35R on my basically stock Syclone. For an easy bolt on it will need to have a PTE exhaust housing and a PTE style downpipe. It will spool with a stock torque convertor, but it does have some lag if you just flat punch it. You will also have to grind on the AC bracket for it to bolt on. You may also have to have a new up pipe made. I can't remember my pipe when i still had the stock intercooler. You'll also need a different boost controller, the stock would not control boost at all for me.
I have a 2800 stall and just basic mods on my truck. ie ultimate chip set to T1-17, manual boost controller, adjustable fuel pressure regulator. I'm very happy with the way the truck runs.
Like they all say you need to tune the truck to get the safest max hp out of it.
All of these parts are available from almost any of the vendors who advertise on this site.
Damn, i need to get tags and insurance on it again!
I have a GT35R on my basically stock Syclone. For an easy bolt on it will need to have a PTE exhaust housing and a PTE style downpipe. It will spool with a stock torque convertor, but it does have some lag if you just flat punch it. You will also have to grind on the AC bracket for it to bolt on. You may also have to have a new up pipe made. I can't remember my pipe when i still had the stock intercooler. You'll also need a different boost controller, the stock would not control boost at all for me.
I have a 2800 stall and just basic mods on my truck. ie ultimate chip set to T1-17, manual boost controller, adjustable fuel pressure regulator. I'm very happy with the way the truck runs.
Like they all say you need to tune the truck to get the safest max hp out of it.
All of these parts are available from almost any of the vendors who advertise on this site.
Damn, i need to get tags and insurance on it again!
midnightbluS10
Banned
Re: What Turbo??
You got me here. What's an up pipe? and where would it be on a syty? I've been here a while and I think this is the first time I've seen that.
Sy#2373 said:
You got me here. What's an up pipe? and where would it be on a syty? I've been here a while and I think this is the first time I've seen that.
turbodig
Active member
Re: What Turbo??
It's a very common misconception that with an Ultimate (or any other chip, for that matter) that you can change parts willy-nilly and the computer will just adjust for it all.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The ECU strategy that we have effectively fixes fuel at a certain level.... at x RPM and y manifold pressure, you have a fixed amount of fuel being delivered. (There are minor corrections for temp as well, but it's still a fixed amount)
If you force more air in, and don't add more fuel, bad things happen.
This is a very big part of why there are so many blown motors right now...people jump in thinking you can just throw a chip in, add a bunch of parts or a big turbo, and automatically go fast. Doesn't work that way. Even on "built" motors.
There really needs to be a sticky called "Why you can't just put a chip in and a bigger turbo and have your motor survive it"
Ty 1885 said:
It's a very common misconception that with an Ultimate (or any other chip, for that matter) that you can change parts willy-nilly and the computer will just adjust for it all.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The ECU strategy that we have effectively fixes fuel at a certain level.... at x RPM and y manifold pressure, you have a fixed amount of fuel being delivered. (There are minor corrections for temp as well, but it's still a fixed amount)
If you force more air in, and don't add more fuel, bad things happen.
This is a very big part of why there are so many blown motors right now...people jump in thinking you can just throw a chip in, add a bunch of parts or a big turbo, and automatically go fast. Doesn't work that way. Even on "built" motors.
There really needs to be a sticky called "Why you can't just put a chip in and a bigger turbo and have your motor survive it"
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JSM
Active member
Re: What Turbo??
Crap, I am screwed are you telling me the ultimate won't work on my truck?
Honestly I think it is "easier" for people to understand how to just "order" X part install it with hopes of being faster. That even goes as far as a chip. You can't just ORDER or install a chip and the planets will align themself with the universe now rotating around your truck. If you follow this logic what you will find es the floor jack rotating around your truck instead, with a solar system of jack stands underneath.
Crap, I am screwed are you telling me the ultimate won't work on my truck?
Honestly I think it is "easier" for people to understand how to just "order" X part install it with hopes of being faster. That even goes as far as a chip. You can't just ORDER or install a chip and the planets will align themself with the universe now rotating around your truck. If you follow this logic what you will find es the floor jack rotating around your truck instead, with a solar system of jack stands underneath.
turbodig
Active member
Re: What Turbo??
You probably won't be for very much longer, if the chip you have is a standard stock injector ultimate. A recipe for near-term engine death.
Another widely-held misconception is that you can add fuel with an adjustable FPR to "be safe".
It really doesn't work that way. On stock injectors, 10 extra psi of fuel pressure is about .06 AFR. 20 extra will move you maybe .1 to .2 . AFR. You can't practically go much beyond that in fuel pressure, as most pumps will run out of volume at high pressures.
The reality is, most mods (if they're doing any good, that is) will move AFR needs by 1.0 to 2.0.
"Tuning" by adding .1 -.2 to a 2.0 bucket is like trying to fill a 55 gallon drum with a teacup.
With larger injectors, you can move the range by .5 and maybe 1.0 AFR in some cases,
but it's very often not enough, and it doesn't address the fact that there are different fuel requirements at different RPMs.
This is very true. Tuning, though, involves a method of measuring AFR, reading/showing knock, and the ability to reprogram the ECM to do what you need it to. And, a consistent method of determining if you're improving.
People want an easy answer that they can order on-line, but there isn't one.
Sy#2373 said:
You probably won't be for very much longer, if the chip you have is a standard stock injector ultimate. A recipe for near-term engine death.
Another widely-held misconception is that you can add fuel with an adjustable FPR to "be safe".
It really doesn't work that way. On stock injectors, 10 extra psi of fuel pressure is about .06 AFR. 20 extra will move you maybe .1 to .2 . AFR. You can't practically go much beyond that in fuel pressure, as most pumps will run out of volume at high pressures.
The reality is, most mods (if they're doing any good, that is) will move AFR needs by 1.0 to 2.0.
"Tuning" by adding .1 -.2 to a 2.0 bucket is like trying to fill a 55 gallon drum with a teacup.
With larger injectors, you can move the range by .5 and maybe 1.0 AFR in some cases,
but it's very often not enough, and it doesn't address the fact that there are different fuel requirements at different RPMs.
This is very true. Tuning, though, involves a method of measuring AFR, reading/showing knock, and the ability to reprogram the ECM to do what you need it to. And, a consistent method of determining if you're improving.
People want an easy answer that they can order on-line, but there isn't one.
MAITAI1993
DON'T MAKE ME SLAP YOU.
Re: What Turbo??
Ok 1st GT35-R wont fit in stock location without cutting at least 1.5 inckes out of ac bracket
as far as up pipe for the guy who asked
GT35-R vs STOCK
As far as the BEST turbo I have had ITS THE SHIT I make boost when I dont even really get into it it has a supercharger like response and sounds bad ass
And last as far as tunning DONT get a off the shelf chip have someone like JEFF SCOTT or DIG do a custom bin for you the best way is to pay JEFF $ fly him out and have him do it in car but if that dont happen I think he has a bin form my chip..I HAVE GOOD EXPERENICE USING A BS CHIP FROM SOMEONE WHO WILL REMAIN NAMELESS waste of alot of time and money and thanks to JEFF my truck runs better then ever and still has MORE in it .....
Ok 1st GT35-R wont fit in stock location without cutting at least 1.5 inckes out of ac bracket
as far as up pipe for the guy who asked
GT35-R vs STOCK
As far as the BEST turbo I have had ITS THE SHIT I make boost when I dont even really get into it it has a supercharger like response and sounds bad ass
And last as far as tunning DONT get a off the shelf chip have someone like JEFF SCOTT or DIG do a custom bin for you the best way is to pay JEFF $ fly him out and have him do it in car but if that dont happen I think he has a bin form my chip..I HAVE GOOD EXPERENICE USING A BS CHIP FROM SOMEONE WHO WILL REMAIN NAMELESS waste of alot of time and money and thanks to JEFF my truck runs better then ever and still has MORE in it .....
MAITAI1993
DON'T MAKE ME SLAP YOU.
Re: What Turbo??
oh yea and move battery need room for intake
BINGO BIG PROJECT Dont for get bigger injectors, AFPR, and a much needed fule pump with bigger wire..Tooky said:
oh yea and move battery need room for intake
JSM
Active member
Re: What Turbo??
That was at most a 1hr tune I did what almost 3 yrs ago? Really need to spend a couple hours a day over a week or two tuning and sorting out all the other things that always pop up.
Having a person there to tune in person will always work best. I refuse to tune via email as it just never works out like I want and wastes a lot of time.
MAITAI1993 said:
That was at most a 1hr tune I did what almost 3 yrs ago? Really need to spend a couple hours a day over a week or two tuning and sorting out all the other things that always pop up.
Having a person there to tune in person will always work best. I refuse to tune via email as it just never works out like I want and wastes a lot of time.
MAITAI1993
DON'T MAKE ME SLAP YOU.
Re: What Turbo??
2 years and yes I agree email chips SUCK BALLS LONG BALLS :rotf:
2 years and yes I agree email chips SUCK BALLS LONG BALLS :rotf:
Ty 1885
New member
Re: What Turbo??
Hey guys, thanks for your responces.
My chip is an ultimate V2, it is for Vortec, 412 cam, 50 pound injectors.
I can add, or remove fuel via gauge controler under boost. My only concern is normal (no boost ) driving.
I have WB, boost controler, ex wastegate, and Walbro 255, check sig.
As far as dp, i will make my own. I will copy the idea from a guy here. He used a small 3inch pipe from turbo, then a ss flex pipe. The turbo i ordered will have a v band turbine to dp, to make it a bit more simple.
Thanks again.
Hey guys, thanks for your responces.
My chip is an ultimate V2, it is for Vortec, 412 cam, 50 pound injectors.
I can add, or remove fuel via gauge controler under boost. My only concern is normal (no boost ) driving.
I have WB, boost controler, ex wastegate, and Walbro 255, check sig.
As far as dp, i will make my own. I will copy the idea from a guy here. He used a small 3inch pipe from turbo, then a ss flex pipe. The turbo i ordered will have a v band turbine to dp, to make it a bit more simple.
Thanks again.