EEPROMs

[ty1548]

Has anyone had any luck using 2 meg or 4 meg EEPROMs? I've tried both Atmel 29c020 and AMD 29f040 EEPROMs, programmed with Pocket Programmer with no success. The chips seem to program ok with no errors but when installed the ECM doesn't even recogonize that there is a chip installed and goes into limp home mode.

I programmed some 2 meg EPROMs with this programmer and they worked fine. TIA.

Todd

 

[Tooky]

Re: EEPROMs

Todd, I'm so glad you asked this. I've spent an enormous amount of time in the last month dealing with this issue. I've got a radar box Ultimate chip, a Moates.net "BURN1" Flash N Burn USB chip burner, and some AMD 29F040 4Mbit EEPROMs. The only chip burning I did was to take my UltimateV7 bin and add WB02 datalogging to it. That worked great for about a year.

Just recently I started doing the actual chip editing (table changes). Immediately I was met with failure. The chips always burn and verify properly (I have 2 different 29F040s), but when I run them in the truck, all 16 programs are available, but the truck will "disconnect/reset the ECM" every 30-90 seconds. Especially when you go WOT. It will reset the Knock Count to 0, the engine almost stalls, the check engine light flashes for a brief instant (no code), and then it acts normal. So it's as if the chip is *very close* to working, but a small electrical glitch. Is the 29F040 (purchased from www.moates.net) an incorrect speed perhaps?

Todd, I can't explain why yours goes into limp home mode, mine works but with these small glitches that prevent me from really driving the truck. I tried both EEPROMs in case I damaged one with static electricity but they both respond the same. I put the original Ultimate EPROM back in, and no cut-outs whatsoever. The weird thing is, how did I program the original EEPROM with the WB02 code and race with it for 1 year? And now I can't even seem to reproduce the same thing? (Basically I painted myself into a corner and now I have no WB02 datalogging ultimate chip )

Is there anyone out there using FLASH EEPROMs with their Ultimate chips? Please tell us!!

 

[93ty475]

Re: EEPROMs

hmmm....I'm using a 27F040 with no problems....was tricky to figure out, but it works now....I dont have 16 bins to try but I set it up to run 8....I'm using the moates burn1 for this....

 

[Tooky]

Re: EEPROMs

Servando (how have you been? ), Do you really mean 27F040 as in one-time-programmable EPROM? If so, I would expect those to work since they are not flash.

If you meant 29F040, do you have an Ultimate chip? If you have a Moates G3 adapter, then I find it no surprise that it works, as it's advertised in this document: www.moates.net/gmecm/g3/g3.htm

If you really have an Ultimate chip and 29F040, where did you buy your chips, and how did you configure the Ultimate to only select 8 positions?

Thanks!

 

[93ty475]

Re: EEPROMs

Servando (how have you been? ), Do you really mean 27F040 as in one-time-programmable EPROM? If so, I would expect those to work since they are not flash.

If you meant 29F040, do you have an Ultimate chip? If you have a Moates G3 adapter, then I find it no surprise that it works, as it's advertised in this document: www.moates.net/gmecm/g3/g3.htm

If you really have an Ultimate chip and 29F040, where did you buy your chips, and how did you configure the Ultimate to only select 8 positions?

Thanks!

Hi Tooky!! I meant 29F...just opened the flash and burn software to verify....my burn1 doesn't support the 27's except for read only.....the 27SF512 is on the flash and burn read/write list however.....My amd 29F040b came with the moates G3 adapter that I purchased a while back....the 29F040 is the ONLY flash chip I possess so I have no choice but to make it work... :lol: I found that I had to restart tunerpro for every move I make when reading, erasing, and burning my 29F040....as far as burning eight bins on the 27F, I just set the "bin" size to 16k, the "chip" size to 512k and the "block" size to 64k....I name an ouput file such as "8stack.bin", then I browse for them under the "Bin Path" list.....then just press "stack" and you have 8, 16k bins installed on 8, 64k sectors....only every other switch position will work on the dial however....in other words, two clicks for every bin instead of a bin on every click of the dial.....I numbered the prom ID of my 8 bins, 1-8 for easy datamaster verification when switching on the road....

also, I still cant figure out how to split certain bins on tunerpro....it stacks them just fine....maybe my 256k files I'm trying to split are bad....


later man,

 

[Tooky]

Re: EEPROMs

Ah so the critical difference is you do not have an Ultimate chip. I beleive that is what the question of this topic was regarding. We know the G3 works due to www.moates.net/gmecm/g3/g3.htm, it's the Ultimate chip I'm interested in figuring out... I don't believe anyone has got the Ultimate working with 29F040B.. although I'm hoping someone will prove otherwise.

 

[93ty475]

Re: EEPROMs

Ah so the critical difference is you do not have an Ultimate chip. I beleive that is what the question of this topic was regarding. We know the G3 works due to www.moates.net/gmecm/g3/g3.htm, it's the Ultimate chip I'm interested in figuring out... I don't believe anyone has got the Ultimate working with 29F040B.. although I'm hoping someone will prove otherwise.

what's wrong with using the chip that came with the ultimate? Is it not a flash chip? couldn't you just read that chip, save a good copy in a safe place, then reprogram that one? I really dont see what the difference would be in using the ultimate or a g3....maybe Todd will see this and say what type of adapter he tried.....this looks to be a pretty old post....

 

[Tooky]

Re: EEPROMs

The Ultimate is a 27-series EPROM (UV-erasable) and not a 29-series EEPROM (electronically eraseable).

Did anyone test or get the 2940F0 4mbit EEPROM chips working on the Ultimate carrier? Todd A. and Paul Schwab are both tops on my list of "SyTy Tuning Guys Who Have Never Responded To My Emails".

 

[Tooky]

Re: EEPROMs

Any chance there's anyone who has ever tried to reprogram their Ultimate chip with a Flash chip? I'm gonna keep asking this question every 6 months until I find someone.... I know there's hundreds of Ultimate chips and with all these people getting onboard with tuning, I won't be the only one trying to solve this mystery...

 

[skwayb]

Re: EEPROMs

The Ultimate is a 27-series EPROM (UV-erasable) and not a 29-series EEPROM (electronically eraseable).

Did anyone test or get the 2940F0 4mbit EEPROM chips working on the Ultimate carrier? Todd A. and Paul Schwab are both tops on my list of "SyTy Tuning Guys Who Have Never Responded To My Emails".

DOH.. Tooky if I never responded to a mail from you I am sorry. I get a shit load of spam and half the mails I acuatly want to read get caught by my spam filter so I miss them. E-mail me and PM me with what address you are mailing from so I can make sure not to loose it. When I get my Autoprom back from the Blue tooth upgrade this week. I will see if I can get the EEProm to work in the Ultimate Carrier or a Moates adapter.

 

[Tooky]

Re: EEPROMs

Paul, no worries. The address is tookycat@nconnect.net. How much did the Bluetooth upgrade run you? I'm looking at doing the same thing.

Don't try the Moates adapter - we already know that works. But if you can test a 29F040 in the Ultimate that would be great! The problem I had was driving around town it would intermittently skip out, as if the ECM reset briefly, almost stalling the engine. It would do it approximately once every 5-15 minutes.

 

[Big Mike]

Re: EEPROMs

Did this get worked out yet?? I am using the 50# Ultimate and would like to start tuning on an Ultimate bin adding WBO2 for LC1 and tweeking it for alky. I do the same as above (reading burning verifying all seem good till chip is in truck SES light on and off) with no luck yet. Eventually would like to stack some bins so I have features like the Ultimate. What are the start and ending addresses for each split bin? I have the same chip 29F040 chip that I would like to make work.

 

[Tooky]

Re: EEPROMs

Big Mike, if I remember right we met at Nationals last year and had a great time. Say hello to your buddy with the eyeglasses as well.

Unfortunately I never got this figured out; I just gave up after being unable to find evidence of anyone getting it to work. I'm convinced that the 29F040 Flash chip is incompatible with our ECMs which were probably developed 5-6 years before the 29F040 Flash chip technology was.

I use a Moates Ostrich Emulator and have never looked back.. it's really a dream come true, the more you use it!! Ultimately I might like to Emulate an Ultimate-style BIN (which Craig Moates claims the Ostrich is capable of) and be able to use the Ultimate controller to swap between 16 emulated programs! That's really a project for when my truck is "finished"....