F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

alwayscode390

alwayscode390

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I am interested in getting a F.A.S.T. system because it will almost be as expensive as all the other parts I was planning on getting, combined (that is if it replaces everything I think it does).

With the FAST , it will replace the need of a (guessing):

1. Wideband $300
2. Chip (ultimate) $300
3. $300 tune from my mechanic
4. $500+ in tuning equipment (osterich, burner, ect)

I heard its actually EASY to tune with this equipment? What are your opinions? Thanks ---
 
4C FED

4C FED

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

Easy is a relative term.
You have to know how to tune for it to be easy.
You can spend a lot of time fiddling around with any tuning if you don't know what you're doing.
That lack of knowledge can be a costly learning experience.
With that said, if you start out slow & conservative (make small incremental changes to one thing at a time) you should be ok.

The only think I don't like about my FAST box is the lack of decel fueling table.
The FAST XFI version has decel fueling & other goodies as well.
 
alwayscode390

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

Yeah I wasnt planning on swapping trannies yet. Good thing this isnt my daily driver, so taking my time tuning isnt going to be a big deal (it cant be any harder than using the other programs....and I planned on learning with them). Maybe I can get a baseline tune from my mechanic and go from there? Hmmmm ---

*edit* ... so was I right about it replacing those parts? I went to the FAST homepage and they have NO info on this product, same with the RPM page, lol ---
 
4C FED

4C FED

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

Yes, you'll get the controller, harness, wideband O2, ESC if you desire it & CCOM software.

One thing is that if you use the older FAST box you will have to find an alterrnative for TCC lockup.
 
alwayscode390

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

4C FED said:
One thing is that if you use the older FAST box you will have to find an alterrnative for TCC lockup.
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Thanks for the heads up ---
 
4C FED

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alwayscode390 said:
Thanks for the heads up ---
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I use the TCC lockup switch that I wired into the ALDL connector.
I just lock it manually for now.
Once I have a 4L80e it won't be an issue.
 
SBNova

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

With the FAST , it will replace the need of a (guessing):

1. Wideband $300
2. Chip (ultimate) $300
3. $300 tune from my mechanic
4. $500+ in tuning equipment (osterich, burner, ect)
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Not trying to change your mind, but if you bought #1 and #5, you wouldnt need or want #2 and #3. You dont use an "ultimate" when you can program your own, nor would you pay a mechanic for a tune.
The price on #5 is a bit overboard. If you had an Ostrich ($175) and an eprom burner (like my Willem for $50- full USB powered), a chip adapter (Moates G1 package- $55 with two flash chips), and a good ALDL Cable would be all you need. If you spent $100 on the ALDL cable, it would still only total $380.And the burner and chips are optional- you could run the Ostrich forever without a chip.
 
turbodig

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

'nother thing to consider.... you have to tune a FAST too.

You have to know about VE tables, AFR tables, much of the same stuff that's in the stock ECM.

A FAST is a bit easier to learn, but there's still a fair amount that you need to understand.

There's no free lunch either way.
 
Daron

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

4C FED said:
I use the TCC lockup switch that I wired into the ALDL connector.
I just lock it manually for now.
Once I have a 4L80e it won't be an issue.
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Well it sorta is an issue depending on what you plan on using to control your tranny. I am told that the 4l80e TCC lockup strategy as GM intended leaves a bit to be desired. It applies the TCC and controls engagement via line pressure so the engagement isnt abrubt. My 4l80e is using a 16197427 GM ecm for control but we have routed the TC lockup from the SyTy ecm.

If you go the TCI route I believe the controller will control TC lockup just dandy.
 
alwayscode390

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

So the big thing you gain running a standalone computer system is that its a LITTLE easier to tune? Are there more tuning variables with the FAST than the stock ECM?

If I scored the FAST (I can get it new for $1k from a buddy's friend) , I can sell my Ultimate chip and my Datamaster cable right? No need for DM anymore? Sorry I just want to make sure before I sell them, lol. Thanks ---
 
Foot Performance

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

alwayscode390 said:
So the big thing you gain running a standalone computer system is that its a LITTLE easier to tune? Are there more tuning variables with the FAST than the stock ECM?

another reason it is better and "easier" to tune is that it is quicker. the wide band allows it to monitor fuel trim more acuratly and it can change pulse width quicker much quicker than the OBD1 communication i dont know off the top of my head what it is

i am not for sure but i know a guy who has one on a lt1 car and he said his had an adapta learn fuel trim setting (not verified) were as you drive it it learn what the fuel setting need to be there is still some tunning required i think on his though
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alwayscode390

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

Thanks Foot, I like how you can tune on the fly and there is no chips to burn or anything.....thats a plus too :) ---
 
Foot Performance

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i got a ultimate i have not put it on yet but i wish i would have known about the fast cotroler first and i would have gotten one. i got antsy becuase i saw STG discontinued the 50lbs and wanted to get one before they stopped makem all together but o well.

i think a grand is a really good price to
 
alwayscode390

alwayscode390

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

I appreciate your input. So with the FAST I can ditch the use of the DM software too right? ---
 
ashman

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Re: F.A.S.T. who can educate me? ---

another thing to think about.

a lot of people are in the process or about to make to swap over to the code59 setup. this will be a big learning experience for most of them (myself included) and a lot of discussion and learning will be going on. the code will be evolving and adding features. there is a DAMN good support base already installed and will become bigger as people join in. you probably wont have that with FAST. at least for the SY/TY application.

to answer your question. you can sell your copy of DM and get rid of your cable.
 
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