6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

PPI Typhoon

DIY Madman
I did a search and found info about using the 4L80E with the 4.3, but not much about using the LSx motors with them.

Ok, so I know the conversion kits that are out are for using the stock motor. If I'm not mistaken, that's for using the stock transfer case too right??

If I were to pick up a engine with the 4L80E 4x4 tranny, can I just use the new transfer case?? Would that relieve the problem of the adapter plates and whatnot?? I know I need the crossmember, but I'm just curious about the conversion with a LSx motor.

If I missed this in my search, sorry.

Thanks.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

you could use a manual transfer case from a 4l80e full size, etc. It wont' be AWD with viscous coupler, and be locked true 4x4 style.

Yes you could avoid the adaptors then.

AWD with viscous coupler requires adaptor somewhere. Even the silvarado SS cases are setup for the 60e output shaft.
 

PPI Typhoon

DIY Madman
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

JS Manufacturing said:
you could use a manual transfer case from a 4l80e full size, etc. It wont' be AWD with viscous coupler, and be locked true 4x4 style.

Yes you could avoid the adaptors then.

AWD with viscous coupler requires adaptor somewhere. Even the silvarado SS cases are setup for the 60e output shaft.

What would be the disadvantage/advantage?? I would be able to rig it up for turning on the AWD on demand?

Sorry for sounding so green, but I've never even touched a transmission. :oops:

Thanks for the response.
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

Motor has nothing to do with the adaptor. It's more in how you chose to mount the motor. The LSX series has an extra bolt hole at the top of the trans. That's it. Rest is the same. We know the BW4472 has held up down into the 8s. If you want to try a new transfer case please do. The NVG149 is a no no. There's a 136GM that's an upgrade for the NVG149 but you still need to control it. Call up Transmission center and tell them you have a syty and if the Silverado adaptor you guys are looking at will work. I bet they've done a bunch of them.
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

Hey, this one is up my alley....

I've got a '99 Bravada with a 2004 6.0L LQ4, 4L80E, and a custom NV246 with no low range (effectively making a NV146, which New Venture doesn't offer). The N246 has the correct 32 spline input to mate with the 80E output without modification, so it just bolts up.

Here's the sticky wicket: The NV136 and NV246 are "active-on-demand" transfer cases. Which means they're not truely AWD torque splitting units. Basically, instead of having a viscous coupling arrangement, they've got an electronically actuated clutchpack that turns the front output shaft "ON" on demand. So, most of the time, you're cruising around in 2wd, and when the computer detects wheelspin (via wheelspeed sensors) it kicks on the clutch for the front shaft. It also kicks in the clutch automatically at speeds below 5mph (for when you leave from a stoplight, for example).

The controls is the big issue in doing the NV136 or NV246. In my case it was a non issue, because I already had the controls, since my truck came with a NV136 and the appropriate controls from the factory. Bravadas after '97 used this type of AWD system, and you could get it as an option on Blazers and Jimmys for the same model year range (although it seems few people chose that option). I expect you could figure out how to switch 4wd on and off (with a toggle switch or whatever) but you would loose AWD, since it would plow like a dumptruck with the front end engaged during some types of manuevers (and no viscous or differential device in the tcase).

With the BW4472 (the Ty / Sy tcase) the issue is strictly the mechancally adapting the splines / rear of the trans to the tcase.


As mentioned by George Blake, the LSx motor uses a slightly altered SBC pattern. There is an extra hole at the 12 o'clock position, and the hole at the 2 o'clock position (just below the pass side head) is not used (because on an LSx motor there is a water jacket there. Don't try to drill the extra bolt hole in the block).


I can tell you, the conversion is TIGHT! There isn't a whole abundance of excess room under the hood or under the truck. Some of the parts are available (mounts, oilpan should be out), but some of it is still left to your imagination (like exhaust manifolds / headers).

'JustDreamin'
 

Try Me

New member
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

JustDreamin said:
As mentioned by George Blake, the LSx motor uses a slightly altered SBC pattern. There is an extra hole at the 12 o'clock position, and the hole at the 2 o'clock position (just below the pass side head) is not used (because on an LSx motor there is a water jacket there. Don't try to drill the extra bolt hole in the block).
didnt know the water jacket was an issue, good info there. i had read other places that said you could drill and tap that. is this on the iron and aluminum blocks?
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

Try Me said:
didnt know the water jacket was an issue, good info there. i had read other places that said you could drill and tap that. is this on the iron and aluminum blocks?
As far as I'm aware, its both alum & iron. I'd just leave that bolt out.

PPI Typhoon said:
Have the oil pans ever been finished?
Don't know. I'd check with JSManufacturing or Turbotime. I wan't willing to spend the $$$ on the pan, since I wasn't sure about my chassis (2nd gen Bravada) being close enough to a Ty to fit properly.

'JustDreamin'
 

PPI Typhoon

DIY Madman
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

JustDreamin said:
As far as I'm aware, its both alum & iron. I'd just leave that bolt out.


Don't know. I'd check with JSManufacturing or Turbotime. I wan't willing to spend the $$$ on the pan, since I wasn't sure about my chassis (2nd gen Bravada) being close enough to a Ty to fit properly.

'JustDreamin'

What did you do for your pan??
Have any pics of your install progress?
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

PPI Typhoon said:
What did you do for your pan??
Have any pics of your install progress?
Built one out of some 16ga sheet and some 3/8" x 2" & 1.5" CRS flat bar.

No pics. Keep meaning to, and not remembering the camera.

It has run, I've driven it about 15 miles. But I've got the front end tore apart to be able to work on the oil pan (I had a weld on a -8 AN fitting that wasn't as good as I thought it was) without pulling the engine. Realized that the front diff is shot when I yanked it out, so its going back together as a 2wd for now (buying myself some time).

'JustDreamin'
 
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Darius

New member
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

George Blake said:
Motor has nothing to do with the adaptor. It's more in how you chose to mount the motor. ... We know the BW4472 has held up down into the 8s. If you want to try a new transfer case please do. The NVG149 is a no no. There's a 136GM that's an upgrade for the NVG149 but you still need to control it. Call up Transmission center and tell them you have a syty and if the Silverado adaptor you guys are looking at will work. I bet they've done a bunch of them.

First posting.

Been lurking for a long while but need to ask George why he considers the NVG 149 a "no no."? My reading indicates it has a higher torque rating.

Darius
 
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George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: 6.0L swap w/4L80E - Transfer case??

NVG149 has a higher torque rating but have experienced a lot of failures in SS silverados. It has had enough failures that an "upgrade" is now available and they can now go to the NV136. The BW4472 that comes in the syty with the 32 spline output shaft has held up way down into the 8s. The other drawback is that the case has to have some electronic controls run to it. There are some bright people on here. Eventually someone will figure out a way to control them.
 
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