what crank to go with,also what tuning software
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blk00z28
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Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Not to bash Matt above. But if you look in Campbell's forum, as well as search for Paul Z's progress/crank talk threads you will find that he sent one of those Scat cranks off to a crank shop and had it compared to a stocker with the same treatments done to both. The Scat came back around 25% weeker then a stock treated crank. The Campbell guys have done a few stock crank builds that put out awesome numbers.
Good(key word there) stock cranks have gone 9's, and are holding strong in a lot of 10 second trucks. Its all in the skill of the machine shop to do there job right and the prep when assembling the motor, and last but not least the tune to keep it from blowing up(again).
Are the pistons and rods you speak of out of this motor that broke the crank. Or are these new parts? I hope they are new and not out of that broken motor..
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Not to bash Matt above. But if you look in Campbell's forum, as well as search for Paul Z's progress/crank talk threads you will find that he sent one of those Scat cranks off to a crank shop and had it compared to a stocker with the same treatments done to both. The Scat came back around 25% weeker then a stock treated crank. The Campbell guys have done a few stock crank builds that put out awesome numbers.
Good(key word there) stock cranks have gone 9's, and are holding strong in a lot of 10 second trucks. Its all in the skill of the machine shop to do there job right and the prep when assembling the motor, and last but not least the tune to keep it from blowing up(again).
Are the pistons and rods you speak of out of this motor that broke the crank. Or are these new parts? I hope they are new and not out of that broken motor..
SYCLONE-2234
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Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Give Joe at Bryant Racing a call along with $2500.00 and wait 8 to 9 weeks and you'll have a really nice Billet crank that will be the strongest part of the whole motor! Then if ya get bored call Jerry at ext. 103 at Crower racing and give him $1100.00 and in about 8-9 weeks you'll have a custom set of Billet rods to go with that crank! I'm on week 2 for waiting !!
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Give Joe at Bryant Racing a call along with $2500.00 and wait 8 to 9 weeks and you'll have a really nice Billet crank that will be the strongest part of the whole motor! Then if ya get bored call Jerry at ext. 103 at Crower racing and give him $1100.00 and in about 8-9 weeks you'll have a custom set of Billet rods to go with that crank! I'm on week 2 for waiting !!
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Given you want to run low 12's. I would get a stock crank or stock crank cryo or nitrided. Your crank broke in two because of detonation and a poor tune, you may have to address that problem when you put everything back together.
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Given you want to run low 12's. I would get a stock crank or stock crank cryo or nitrided. Your crank broke in two because of detonation and a poor tune, you may have to address that problem when you put everything back together.
Big Mike
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Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
It would not be a bad idea to get that stock good crank checked for cracks and make sure it is straight before any machine work is done to it so you do not waste your money on a damaged part. If you use the rods you have they need to be checked for out of round and bent. How many miles on that rebuild?
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
It would not be a bad idea to get that stock good crank checked for cracks and make sure it is straight before any machine work is done to it so you do not waste your money on a damaged part. If you use the rods you have they need to be checked for out of round and bent. How many miles on that rebuild?
s10pro
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Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
having the rods eagle and srp pistons off the broken crank checked at mech shop
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
having the rods eagle and srp pistons off the broken crank checked at mech shop
0260IN3
Engine Builder
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Hardness of the surface does not mean anything about strength. Also if you are comparing a Scat crank to a treated stocker, the stocker will show higher surface hardness, but what is underneath? The Scat (or any) aftermarket crank are a much higher density material and are also a cast steel instead of cast iron
Eveyone can make the judgement for themselves, but my two cents is on the new crank vs. the stocker.........
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Hardness of the surface does not mean anything about strength. Also if you are comparing a Scat crank to a treated stocker, the stocker will show higher surface hardness, but what is underneath? The Scat (or any) aftermarket crank are a much higher density material and are also a cast steel instead of cast iron
Eveyone can make the judgement for themselves, but my two cents is on the new crank vs. the stocker.........
midnightbluS10
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Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
I think he had the Scat crank compared to an untreated stocker.
http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70672
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
I think he had the Scat crank compared to an untreated stocker.
http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70672
0260IN3
Engine Builder
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Still doesn't matter.........do some reading into it. I have done lots of research in this area, and surface hardness is a small piece of the strength of a given part.
Re: what crank to go with,also what tunning software
Still doesn't matter.........do some reading into it. I have done lots of research in this area, and surface hardness is a small piece of the strength of a given part.
Z SKI
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Re: what crank to go with,also what tuning software
Im not trying to kill anyones business here. I am just posting what I found during my build.
Both of the cranks that were compared were stock untreated. The cranks were checked @ Castillo's Crankshaft Services in La Mirada CA. and his heat treater Accurate Steel Treating http://www.accuratesteeltreating.com/ conducted the rockwell testing of both. Both of these places are "THE" place to go for crank stuff on the west coast.
Joe @ Castillo's stated that the cast Scat stuff that is coming out of China is junk and inferior to the GM cast cranks in the steel that both of them use. Since he does cranks for all of the big name shops I decided to take his word for it.
He also stated that our stock cranks are cast steel and not cast iron and he hand picks the nicer machined cores that he does for Nelson Racing Engines and RPM.
So thats all I know and I was just trying to share my findings with everyone.
As for kick ass motors, Campbell is the place to go and when I buy a daily driver Ty I am going to have them build me a nice street motor, as long as it has a GM casting crank or better :tup:
See ya,
Im not trying to kill anyones business here. I am just posting what I found during my build.
Both of the cranks that were compared were stock untreated. The cranks were checked @ Castillo's Crankshaft Services in La Mirada CA. and his heat treater Accurate Steel Treating http://www.accuratesteeltreating.com/ conducted the rockwell testing of both. Both of these places are "THE" place to go for crank stuff on the west coast.
Joe @ Castillo's stated that the cast Scat stuff that is coming out of China is junk and inferior to the GM cast cranks in the steel that both of them use. Since he does cranks for all of the big name shops I decided to take his word for it.
He also stated that our stock cranks are cast steel and not cast iron and he hand picks the nicer machined cores that he does for Nelson Racing Engines and RPM.
So thats all I know and I was just trying to share my findings with everyone.
As for kick ass motors, Campbell is the place to go and when I buy a daily driver Ty I am going to have them build me a nice street motor, as long as it has a GM casting crank or better :tup:
See ya,
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Matt
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Re: what crank to go with,also what tuning software
Sorry man, i think i would have to listen to mark on this one, they are in the business of building top quality street/race engines and they simply would not use a crank if it was ''junk'' they have made 700hp using this crank trouble free and i am sure it will handle
more, the stock block would be the only limiting factor
Matt
Sorry man, i think i would have to listen to mark on this one, they are in the business of building top quality street/race engines and they simply would not use a crank if it was ''junk'' they have made 700hp using this crank trouble free and i am sure it will handle
more, the stock block would be the only limiting factor
Matt
Z SKI
Donating Member
Re: what crank to go with,also what tuning software
Matt,
Thats cool. Like I said before I love Campbells stuff and what they do for the SyTy community. Im NOT bashing them at all. Im just bringing up WHAT I found out about a fairly new part that is available to our community. Matter of fact, I cant wait to get my truck back together so Nolan can do his magic:tup:
See ya,
Matt,
Thats cool. Like I said before I love Campbells stuff and what they do for the SyTy community. Im NOT bashing them at all. Im just bringing up WHAT I found out about a fairly new part that is available to our community. Matter of fact, I cant wait to get my truck back together so Nolan can do his magic:tup:
See ya,